Episode 24

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21st Feb 2023

Dr Demet Aslı Çaltekin - Refusing Militarism: Conscientious Objectors and Masculinity in Turkey

War and militarism often play a central role in the construction of dominant, ‘desirable’ ideas about masculinity. So what happens when men refuse to take part in the militarisation of society, and become conscientious objectors? Dr Demet Aslı Çaltekin has researched this with people who have conscientiously objected against compulsory military service in Turkey. 

We were planning to interview Demet before the horrific earthquakes in Turkey and Syria took place, and she very kindly agreed to speak to us about the impact and response, amidst the mixture of emotions that many feel at present. Whilst the main focus of media and popular attention is rightly on the disaster and its aftermath, it is also an opportunity to highlight some of the other complex issues at the heart of Turkish society. We therefore talk with her not only about her research on militarism, but also how the feminist movement in Turkey has been creatively campaigning against femicide and violence against women.

Demet is an Assistant Professor in Criminal Law and Criminal Justice in the Law School at Durham University. She has recently written a book called ‘Conscientious Objection in Turkey: A Socio-legal Analysis of the Right to Refuse Military Service’, published by Edinburgh University Press.

Please consider donating to organisations in Turkey/Syria undertaking relief efforts in response to the earthquakes: 

In this episode we cover the following topics:

  • The impact of the earthquakes
  • The relief efforts and the national and international response
  • What military service in Turkey involves
  • What led Demet to do this research, and think differently about militarisation
  • The conscientious objectors who took part in her research and their motivations
  • How Turkish society responds to people who conscientiously object
  • The right to conscientious objection, and its legal and social consequences
  • How militarism and nationalism fit into Turkish history
  • What militarism and refusing to participate in it has to do with masculinity
  • How and why Turkish women engage in conscientious objection
  • Parallels with militarism in British society
  • The value of a socio-legal approach, and working to change the law
  • The war in Ukraine and refusing to fight
  • Femicide in Turkey and the feminist movement’s response 
  • Challenges facing women’s civil society organisations in Turkey
  • The Turkish government’s withdrawal from the Istanbul Convention, and backlash against gender equality

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Stephen Burrell

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I am a Lecturer in Criminology at the University of Melbourne, Australia, where I moved to at the beginning of 2024. My research is about men, masculinities and violence. I am particularly interested in the prevention of men's violence against women, building gender equality, addressing environmental harm, and promoting an ethic of care among men and boys. In my spare time I'm a big fan of drinking tea, being in nature, eating vegan ice cream, and listening to heavy metal music. I'm also a trustee for White Ribbon UK.

Sandy Ruxton

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Honorary Research Fellow in the Department of Sociology at Durham University (UK). Independent researcher, expert on men and masculinities. Previous policy work on human rights, children and families, poverty and social exclusion, and asylum and migration. Programme experience with boys and young men in schools, community, and prisons. Steering Committee member, MenEngage Europe. Volunteer for OX4 Food Crew. Chess-player, bike-rider, tree-hugger. Great grandfather edited Boy's Own Paper, but was sacked.