Episode 32

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30th Aug 2023

Dr Lisa Sugiura – Incels and the Manosphere: Realities and Responses

‘The Manosphere’ is a cluster of online groups who oppose feminism and believe that men are the true victims of gender inequality. There has long been backlash towards feminism, but its influence has grown in recent years, facilitated by the internet. Such groups include Men’s Rights and Father’s Rights Activists, Pick Up Artists (who instruct men on how to manipulate women for sex), and Men Going their Own Way (who avoid all relations with women). Incels, or ‘Involuntary Celibates’, have drawn most attention, not least because of a number of mass killings being ascribed to individuals associated with them. So what are Incel communities, why are they a cause of concern, and how should we respond to them? These are some of the issues we explore with expert Dr Lisa Sugiura.

Lisa is a Reader in Cybercrime and Gender in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Portsmouth in the UK. She is the Chair of Hampshire Constabulary's Force Strategic Independent Advisory Group.

We cover the following topics in this episode:

  • What the Manosphere is and why we should be concerned about it (01:00 - 05:21)
  • The ideas and terminology used by Incels (05:21 - 08:28)
  • How women are viewed within Incel communities (08:28 - 09:58)
  • What led Lisa to carry out research in this area (09:58 - 14:02)
  • How she went about conducting her research (14:02 - 15:59)
  • Interviewing men in the Incel community (15:59 - 21:01)
  • The impact of doing this work on her wellbeing (21:01 - 23:39)
  • What happens when men leave Incel communities (23:39 - 27:01)
  • The harms of the Manosphere (27:01 - 29:25)
  • The threats online misogyny poses to democracy (29:25 - 31:06)
  • The variety of men involved in Incel communities (31:06 - 33:28)
  • The damage Incel communities do to men themselves (33:28 - 37:31)
  • Official responses to the Manosphere and what needs to change (37:31 - 40:26)
  • The responsibilities of social media companies (40:26 - 42:52)
  • Possibilities for deradicalising or preventing men from becoming involved in the first place (42:52 - 45:21)
  • Overlaps in discourses used by Incels and those in pornography (45:21 - 49:07)
  • How to avoid giving these groups a bigger platform (49:07 - 53:27)
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Stephen Burrell

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I am a Lecturer in Criminology at the University of Melbourne, Australia, where I moved from the UK at the beginning of 2024. My research is about men, masculinities and violence. I am particularly interested in the prevention of men's violence against women, building gender equality, addressing environmental harm, and promoting an ethic of care among men and boys. In my spare time I'm a big fan of drinking tea, being in nature, eating vegan ice cream, and listening to heavy metal music. I'm also a trustee for White Ribbon UK.

Sandy Ruxton

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Honorary Research Fellow in the Department of Sociology at Durham University (UK). Independent researcher, expert on men and masculinities. Previous policy work on human rights, children and families, poverty and social exclusion, and asylum and migration. Programme experience with boys and young men in schools, community, and prisons. Steering Committee member, MenEngage Europe. Volunteer for OX4 Food Crew. Chess-player, bike-rider, tree-hugger. Great grandfather edited Boy's Own Paper, but was sacked.